Mens’ societies scrutinised
An attempt to affiliate a ‘Gentlemen’s Society’ with Goldsmiths SU has been blocked at a meeting of the College’s Student Assembly on the grounds that the society as proposed does not meet the requirements of the Student Union’s equal opportunities policy.
In minutes of the Assembly’s November 10th meeting, seen by London Student, the Society’s request for affiliation is objected to by an Assembly member as their constitution indicates, “that members of the society would need to wear smart clothes, which prevents students from lower socio-economic background from joining.”
The minutes also state that the society, “did not indicate whether or not they where accepting of women.”
The Society was subsequently asked to resubmit their constitution to the Assembly by December 1st, amended to address the Assembly’s concerns over their dress code and policy towards female members.
When contacted by London Student about the decision, Gentlemen’s Society founder Robert Simpson said: “The society is mainly leisure based and we just wanted to do some things that we wouldn’t normally do, so instead of the usual student going out and partying and drinking, we wanted to promote events that we wouldn’t normally partake in, such as attending the varsity boat race, going to the dog tracks and having a poker night.
“Unfortunately people completely misunderstood this and saw us as some form of political/sexist group when we are not in the slightest.
“We are in fact completely open to all, with 14 paid female members.”
The Goldsmiths Assembly’s decision reflects a wider debate over the formation of men’s societies at campuses across the UK, which has centred on whether such groups offer a legitimate forum for students looking to explore concepts of masculinity, or merely provide an outlet for activities that serve to perpetuate gender stereotypes.
Earlier this year the University of Manchester saw the founding of the MENS Society (Masculinity Exploring Network and Support). The group was granted society status only after changing its name from ‘Men’s Society’, a name deemed unacceptable by the Manchester Student Union’s Societies Committee as it suggested a discriminatory membership policy based on gender. Oxford has subsequently followed suit with the
creation of ‘Man Collective – Oxford’ (MC-O).
Commenting on the rise of such societies, Goldsmiths Student Activities and Services Officer Rheem Al-Adhami said: “I think any group that brings people together to question the received wisdom associated with
gender stereotypes can be a positive thing.
“Whilst I think feminist groups and women’s rights groups are right to be concerned and possibly even critical of these new societies, we should be willing to be open to the possibility that they are a progressive move.
However, there is sometimes a very thin line between such groups and those men’s rights groups who are founded to counter any moves by feminists.”
Addressing the case of the Gentlemen’s Society, she stated “My concern at Goldsmiths, and something shared by many fellow students, about the new society stems from their apparent disregard for conceptions of masculinity and gender identity.’
“These notions are not in line with those of the Manchester MENS group or the Oxford group at all and do not ground themselves in the need to question gender categories.”











Really, a group of right-wing chauvinists arguing the men are an oppressed group and celebrating the support of such gutter press as the Daily Mail, does not equal a group questioning “gender categories”. In Manchester the MENS Society is a negative force on campus, actively organising against the women’s movement. I hope Goldsmiths has the courage to do what Manchester Students’ Union – and particular our Women’s Officer – failed to do, and block the formation of such groups on campus.
It is, however, a shame to see a Students’ Union opposing something on weak constitutional grounds when they should be opposing it politically.
Not being a University of Manchester student I have little knowledge of the MENS society, as it is clear that you have little knowledge of the Goldsmiths Gentlemen’s Society. In fact, these people are a group of guys who, on seeing the success of the Women’s Institute on campus, wanted to form a group with a similar basis: people getting together, skill sharing and taking part in activities. In line with the rules on societies, they opened their doors to women too and many joined. They aren’t harming anybody, certainly are not opposing any other groups, feminist or otherwise, and are actually attempting to steer student social life away from the union bar and into London’s cultural institutions. So what, exactly is the problem? The problem is that there are certain groups of people at Goldsmiths who see it their business to decide what is right and wrong about the university according to their own set of rules without considering the bigger picture. It is easy to stand up and say that the society is anti-feminist and has ‘disregard for masculinity and gender identity’, but looking beyond this are they really harming anybody? These guys are smart guys, they aren’t neanderthals and surely the students of Goldsmiths will understand that the policies of smart clothes and cigars and ‘boys’ days out at the boat race are merely a tongue-in-cheek way of creating a group identity. So the Goldsmiths Assembly disagree with certain aspects of the society? Then meet with the founders and try to find a basis on which it can operate instead of just shutting it down.
I sincerely doubt that anyone “smart” as Megan puts it, would decide to embrace this laughable toffery. Really, who could possibly present the argument that intelligent people would choose to spend their days dressing as gentlemen and invoking the outdated upper-class models of the twentieth century? Almost no one.
Neither, might I add, do most of the people opposing the dangerously chauvinist Manchester MENS Society, support the Women’s Institute!
I fully support Goldsmiths Student Assembly in this matter, as I’m sure will most rational people.
Some interesting new news on Committee members behind the Manchester MENS Society. One of the leading members openly admits over facebook to having “sympathies with fascism” and being “fascistic”. Some support group this is turning out to be.
Really, Megan, intelligent people don’t dress up as and pretend to be toffs for kicks.
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